Discussion in 'Site News and Updates' started by Michael Neville, Dec 19, 2019.
Opening this thread because it appears I'm the only one who can.
So, on a recent post about fundie lies we got a visit from an oddball. Accordingly, by request from John Pieret, here are collected all of her posts from her visit.
First, a straight comment:
Then, as a reply to this comment:
Next, another straight comment, which got her Clancy’s attention (that will be important soon):
Next up is yet another straight comment:
Next up is her first reply to this comment (hey, not all her comments were completely terrible):
Next is getting back to her silly antics with her second:
Next up is an answer to this comment:
Followed by an answer to this one:
And a second answer to the same:
And when I was saying that her getting Clancy’s attention would be important soon… That’s because her answer to a mod directing her to read the RoE was to go on the offensive! Behold!
Of course, given how “the lady doth protest too much”, to stay polite, said answer was it got another mod to take a look and kick her. But she had time to write a few other comments first, so here we go!
Starting with a reply to that comment:
Next up is a (far more innocuous than usual) answer to this comment:
Lastly, another innocuous answer follows, to this comment:
But, because apparently she’s completely unable to leave a competent answer to a comment without displaying her boorishness in short order, here’s the second:
*: First missing picture
†: Second missing picture
If she cared, I mean really cared, about disabled people, she'd stop praying and start working to fix society and remove barriers.
She wouldn’t be the kind of sanctimonious lady she apparently is if she actually helped now, would she?
Nope, that's something Christ might do, can't have that...
OK, this particular commenter annoys me, but I think it's defensible in some circumstances thinking that there's nothing you can do other than pray.
For example, an encounter I had earlier this year: I was walking along next to the national park, returning from the shops with some groceries. An elderly woman was coming the other way, and we both said "Nice day". And that's usually where we would have left it, but she clearly had something on her mind, and told me about a man she had seen who had collapsed on one of the trails in the national park. As far as I could tell the story through the tears, it seemed that an ambulance had been called, but that she personally felt like there was nothing she could do but pray, so she prayed desperately. The ambulance came and took him away to hospital, and again there was nothing she could do but pray they would be successful.
Of course, I don't believe that that prayer would achieve anything. But I wasn't about to tell her so - it wasn't the time or the place. And she was probably right that there was nothing else that she could do. As a society working together, we are able to achieve things that would have been considered miracles 500 years ago - but that doesn't mean any particular individual is equipped to perform those miracles. I can understand the feeling of helplessness, of feeling that there is literally nothing you can do, no matter how much you want to help.
I was particularly struck by the example she gave of having pity sex with an 18 year old boy. WWJD indeed.
Im wondering which way the pity went...
although she is the kind of sanctimonious lady who lets you know that she held the door for an old man, and gave someone enough money (five whole dollar) to pay for her purchases. whoa. Im impressed. And then she ices the cake with prayers. Those are all little feel good gestures that you don't talk about, you just do.
OK, here's one I thought best kept to the forums rather than posted publicly - just in case. And it's somewhat related to my "can't do anything but pray" post above.
On an ex-cd support group which skews heavily Australian (Australia is a Christadelphian hot-spot. Well, as much as anywhere is with such a tiny denomination...). My cousin posted about how frustrating it is seeing many Facebook friends going on about prayers for rain to help with the Australian fires, and then thanking God for the (nice but inadequate) rain that came (I see Catherine here has seen similar posts, so it's obviously far beyond Christadelphia - it looked like there was an organised and coordinated call for prayers trying to go viral, and cynical me wonders if the original organisers looked at the weather forecast before choosing a time to organise). My cousin went on to point out that the prayer was useless. Clearly a relevant point for that support group, and a number of us including me said we'd seen similar things and been frustrated by them.
However, one commenter took a very firm "Go out and do things to help if you want to, but don't criticise people whose only way of helping is prayer" (which, um, doesn't help - but anyway...). Latest comment:
Clearly missing, as others have pointed out there, that the group isn't just about being supportive for them, but for all members...
Anyway, I just thought it was an interesting reply.
"Anyone who is helping...." but that's precisely the point. How is prayer helping?
Couple thoughts from cynical old me, here:
prayer is helping the people who do it Feel Good about praying for something. Anything.
and if it happens to rain while they're praying for rain, well, hey, look it that, daddy, it worked! So they get heaps of credit for scrunching up their foreheads and murmuring.
This doesn't hurt anyone, I agree. The danger comes when people who COULD get off their knees, go out, and do time at the homeless shelter, or take in lost puppies, or give some of those clothes they'll never in gods green earth wear again to someone who is freezing to death, but they just pray harder. Because deep in their narrow little souls they know it doesn't work, but it gets them off the hook. Piety wins.
I mentioned the guy from the community chorus who has cancer. He's a devout Catholic. I put him on the church's prayer list, not because I think it means anything objective, but because I think it will encourage him when I say in the get-well card that Rev Clancy's Presbyterians are praying for him too.
Brad was sort of like you. Whenever someone said I will pray for you" he politely thanked and just went on with his day. He said "If it made them feel better, who am I to tell them not to bother?".
Guess it is a good way to look at it. And towards the end, he looked sick. He had lost so much weight - he was just gaunt. And people noticed. And asked. I think he handled it with grace.
I'd not have the nerve to turn down an offer of "I'll pray for you" because it solves nothing to get all knotted up over it. And it makes them feel better, as you say.
The only time I push back is when Im sensing a guilt trap, as happened some years ago when two JWs came calling to take a basket lesson from me. I didn't realize they were Witnesses until the second visit and then I saw one of them glance at the other and nod, and I thought, oh oh. We sorta got into it, and it was their last lesson. And the holyman who arrived at my doorstep, hatless, at -15 below, with a companion, and refused to leave. I closed the door and went inside, and let him walk the 1/2 mile back to the car he had left at the end of the driveway. They don't do that now. Gee, I wonder WHY.
Clancy, you want to be careful, you're making the Christians look bad. =)
Even my daughter sometimes says that. Remember, she even did a sermon about how her atheist dad did the most Christian thing she knows of. That was the story of me welcoming the guy with AIDS back to work in 1986.
Well - now you've done it. Hell is issuing ice skates
You might not have heard that story.
I think the difference is, atheists tend to act their conscience, and the religious act the way their 3000 year old bible tells them to do.
Well - spill it bub
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