The MBGD Is a Liar
The Mad Blood God of the Desert (MBGD) Is a Liar, and the Bible tells us so.
Wan Kun Sandy posted, on "Lights! Camera! Crucifixion!"
I got the answer for "Why did Jesus must die in order for the salvation to work?" It's because God himself has said that he specifically demands blood for the atonement of the soul.
- "For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life." (NIV) -
- "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul." (KJV) -
And for "why Jesus", I'm sure there are lots of Christian articles detailing on that.
And Lambchop replied:
That's the apologist's explanation, of course. But since God was BREAKING all the "forever," "ETERNAL", "everlasting" covenants with the Jews ANYHOW (see below), he could have just said, "Okay, I just decided to forgive everybody now and besides - that whole 'gods begetting offspring with human women', that's a PAGAN staple and I certainly don't want MY religion getting all confused with those childish fables!"
Have you never noticed the NUMEROUS passages forbidding human sacrifice? What about THOSE? And the extremely strict prohibition against consuming blood? In Judaism it is well understood that a symbolic sin is just as much a sin as the real deal, and the jeez firmly established the concept of "thought crimes" in Matthew 5:27-28.
Whatsoever soul it be that eateth any manner of blood, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.
If anyone from the house of Israel or foreigner living among them eats any blood, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from among his people.
There's a lot more like those - you can look them up for yourselves.
In order for the Christian theology to work, their God has to be a LIAR:
"And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee…"
God said, "This is the sign of the covenant which I am making between Me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all successive generations;
"A servant who is born in your house or who is bought with your money shall surely be circumcised; thus shall My covenant be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
But God said, "No, but Sarah your wife will bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; and I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.
"All the offerings of the holy gifts, which the sons of Israel offer to the LORD, I have given to you and your sons and your daughters with you, as a perpetual allotment It is an everlasting covenant of salt before the LORD to you and your descendants with you."
2 Samuel 23:5
"Truly is not my house so with God? For He has made an everlasting covenant with me, Ordered in all things, and secured; For all my salvation and all my desire, Will He not indeed make it grow?
Thus says the L-rd, Who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar-- the L-rd of hosts is His name: If this fixed order were ever to cease from My presence, says the L-rd, then also the offspring of Israel would cease to be a nation before Me forever. Thus says the L-rd: If the heavens above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth below can be explored, then I will reject all the offspring of Israel because of all they have done.
"I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts so that they will not turn away from Me.
1 Chronicles 16:14-17
He is the LORD our God. His justice is seen throughout the land. He remembers his covenant forever, the word he commanded, for a thousand generations, This is the covenant he made with Abraham and the oath he swore to Isaac. He confirmed it to Jacob as a decree, and to the people of Israel as a never-ending covenant:
He has remembered His covenant forever, The word which He commanded to a thousand generations,
Then He confirmed it to Jacob for a statute, To Israel as an everlasting covenant,
He has given food to those who fear Him; He will remember His covenant forever.
He has sent redemption to His people; He has ordained His covenant forever; Holy and awesome is His name.
"Incline your ear and come to Me Listen, that you may live; And I will make an everlasting covenant with you, According to the faithful mercies shown to David.
"They will ask for the way to Zion, turning their faces in its direction; they will come that they may join themselves to the LORD in an everlasting covenant that will not be forgotten.
"Nevertheless, I will remember My covenant with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish an everlasting covenant with you.
And David my servant shall be king over them; and they shall all have one shepherd. they shall also follow My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Yaakov my servant, in which your fathers have dwelt and they shall dwell there, they and their children, and their children's children forever; and my servant David shall be their prince forever. Moreover, I will make a covenant of peace with them, it shall be an everlasting covenant with them, which I will give them; and I will multiply them and I will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forevermore. And my tabernacle shall be with them: and I will be their G-d and they will be my people. Then the nations shall know that I am the L-rd who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary will be in the midst of them forevermore.
Now the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the great Shepherd of the sheep through the blood of the eternal covenant, even Jesus our Lord,
'So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.'
"I will betroth you to Me forever; Yes, I will betroth you to Me in righteousness and in justice, In lovingkindness and in compassion,
As He spoke to our fathers, To Abraham and his descendants forever."
Know therefore that the LORD your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commands.
Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Isn't an entire NEW TESTAMENT considered "an addition"? Isn't telling people they don't need to keep the commandments and mitzvot any more "diminishing/taking away from it"?
The whole jesus-faux-sacrifice thing is as pagan as it gets. As Paul makes clear, blood sacrifice is good, but the blood of a GOD is even BETTER!
For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that their bodies are clean, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself unblemished to God, purify our consciences from works of death, so that we may serve the living God! Therefore Christ is the mediator of a new covenant blah blah blah Hebrews 9:13-15
So here we see that this "God" of the Christians does not keep its word. NOW it's the Christians who have replaced the Jews as "Chosen People" and, via the jeez, the Jews have somehow "earned" eternal darkness and damnation because of that story the Christians flat-out MADE UP and we all know that the pen is mightier than the God.
The bottom line is that the passages purported to justify Christianity's pagan roots are tsunamied by the passages showing it's a travesty and a farce. Within the established framework of Judaism that Christianity sought to claim for itself as the chassis for its new pagan-themed religion, it can't work. Only those ignorant of the contents of the Bible could claim otherwise.
The early founders of Christianity seem wholly unaware of the idea of a human Jesus
The Jesus of the Gospels bears a striking resemblance to other ancient heroes and the figureheads of pagan savior cults
Contemporary Christians are largely ignorant of the origins of their religion
Not until decades after the alleged life of Jesus, did the first gospel appear (Mark). But even here, the gospels don't depict history, but rather, allegorical literature, very common during the period when the gospels got written.
The Christian religion developed in the same way as virtually every previous religion: with a dying and rising savior. Attis, Mithras, Osiris, Dionysus, Hercules, and many other gods predate Jesus and they bear a striking resemblance to him. The similarities include: healing the sick, casting out demons, eating the flesh and blood of the savior, remaining dead for three days, then rising, and lots more.
So why don't Christians question the historicity of Jesus? Because, apparently, no one told them. This documentary asks several Christians if they knew how Christianity spread and if they ever heard of Osiris, Mithras, or Dionysus. None of them knew that these pagan gods resembled Jesus in astounding ways, or how Christianity spread. - Brian Flemming, narrator
The Jews *already* had in place a system whereby blood sacrifice was not required:
The Bible already mandated sincere confessionary repentant prayer, as a proper vehicle for attaining forgiveness. In the biblical period atonement prayer was used with full divine sanction, with or without animal offerings (even for non-Jews–Jonah 3:5-10).
Sincere confessionary repentant prayer is the primary biblical prescription for obtaining atonement when animal sacrifices cannot be offered concurrently. Animal sacrifices are only prescribed for unwitting or unintentional sin (shogeg)–Leviticus 4:2, 13, 22, 27; 5:5, 15 (cf. Numbers 15:30). The one exception is if an individual swore falsely to acquit himself of the accusation of having committed theft (Leviticus 5:24-26). Intentional sin can only be atoned for through repentance, unaccompanied by a blood sacrifice- Psalms 32:5, 51:16-19.
Giving charity is a material expression of this inner repentance that is articulated in the rabbinic formula: “Prayer, repentance, and charity avert the evil decree” (T.J. Ta’anit 2:1, 65b). This is based on the verse: “If My people, upon whom My name is called, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their evil ways; then will I hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin, and I will heal their land” (2 Chronicles 7:14).Source
And finally, in closing, let us not forget Hosea 3:4:
For the Israelites must live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, and without ephod or idol.
DAMN, Lambchop! On FIRE!
I used to believe that Christianity was unique among all religions for so many reasons. It didn't take long in college to discover that I was wrong about every single one of them. Christianity is very much a product of its time. Every element in it can be traced to either Judaism, Hellenic paganism, or mystery religions--all extant and simmering in the murky soup of 1st-century Jews who felt white-hot rage toward the Romans occupying Jerusalem. There is literally nothing about it that is unique, only stuff that it amplified, like its carrot-and-stick of Heaven and Hell.
The simple truth: a truly omnimax god would be able to work out a system that did not require "blood" or "sacrifice" to propitiate his rage with humans. The whole idea is a mockery of grace and forgiveness. Why couldn't he simply forgive his followers? Why did he design a cosmology that limited him in such a fundamentally flawed way?
The literal only reason Christians could possibly have for believing that their god is loving, gracious, or forgiving is that they are told that he is. Nobody who reads the Bible critically would ever come to that conclusion independently. He sounds like the dead opposite of those qualities--in both the Old and New Testaments.
Maybe that's why so many Christians' prayers and songs along those lines sound less like declarations and more like reminders: "Remember, Lord, you're loving, gracious, and forgiving. Remember? PLEASE REMEMBER." Of course, when they suffer huge heartbreaks or bad luck, their broken religion has taught them many ways to reconcile these events with their loving, gracious, forgiving god.