Why CAN'T the MBGD Forgive Without Bloodshed?

Jan 24, 2019
Why CAN'T the MBGD Forgive Without Bloodshed?
  • Why CAN'T the Mad Blood God of the Desert forgive people without bloodshed?

    Lambchop wrote, on the post "Lights! Camera! Crucifixion!"

    Why couldn't he just forgive things in the first place without the whole rigmarole?

    That's a very good question: Why couldn't this "god" just forgive everyone? In the bibble, we're all expected to forgive - and basically infinity times (they couldn't count very high back then - even "40" was an unimaginably huge number). So why isn't God setting the proper example here? Why is so much MORE expected out of US than even an infinite "god" is unwilling to do, when it would cost "it" nothing and no effort whatsoever?

    Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (Matthew 5:43-48)​

    So WHY does this "god", which clearly "loves" IMPERFECTLY, expect *us* to be able to do far more than "it" is capable of? How is THAT fair??

    I mean, given the above, the Trump MAGA hat racists are the "godlike" ones, punishing and hating everyone who isn't just like them. By God's standards as demonstrated, the racists in the postbellum Deep South were behaving in a "godlike" manner when they lynched certain people! And if the faux sacrifice of the jeez is at all meaningful, why didn't it change anything? Why are WE still expected to do all the heavy lifting? The jeez had ONE BAD DAY - give me a fucking break. UNCOUNTABLE people have suffered more and longer - think of Jacques de Molay, the last leader of the Knights Templar. After French king Philip le Bel turned that group over to the Inquisition because he didn't want to pay them back for loaning him the money to build fancy cathedrals, churches, and palaces, they captured as many of the Knights Templar as they could - including de Molay. He was tortured by the Inquisition's professional torturers for SEVEN YEARS, which included three rides on the rack, if memory serves. And THEN he was BURNED ALIVE over a slow fire!

    Don't ask me to feel sorry for that stupid-ass whining spoiled privileged brat "Jesus" who lost NOTHING. NOTHING! *I* was not there; no one asked my permission (I would have told them "Don't"), so *I* am NOT going to feel guilty over it. I'd punch him in his stupid face just like I'd like to punch that arrogant, privileged little asshole Nick Sandmann in his smug smirking face.


    The Substitutionary Atonement model of the Crucifixion devastated me as a child, but now I look at it as a supremely immoral and evil idea. There've been many different interpretations of the event depicted in the Gospels, and that's only one of them. (Here's a link to some others.)

    If this event had really happened, however, and if that'd been the actual reason for it, I'd consider it massively non-consensual. We are not obligated to take any actions just because someone pre-emptively did something they think is for our benefit. Christians don't even realize that they sound like a bunch of incels whining that Stacy won't date them after they brought her presents she never asked for.

    It amazes me that the same Christians who push this model of the Crucifixion also tend to think that their god "is a gentleman," which is how they rationalize all manner of evil aspects of their beliefs. A real gentleman doesn't expect others to make decisions based on a lack of information or hold them responsible for stuff they didn't even do, OR expect them to thank him for doing stuff they never asked him to do. Nor would a truly good god punish any innocent people for the actions of the guilty. That's not real justice, and it definitely isn't merciful, loving, or gracious.

    -- Cas
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