YouTube offered me a Ken Ham short video the other day, which demonstrates that I have completely confused its algorithm. In it, the serial grifter and ur-liar-for-Jesus offers his thoughts about why evangelicals “lost Gen Z.” Let’s go over his video and see if he’s right. Then let’s see where the blame really rests.

A quick introduction to Ken Ham and Creationism

Ken Ham leads a Young-Earth Creationist group called Answers in Genesis. As the label implies, he erroneously believes that his god conjured everything in the universe into existence about six thousand years ago. (I’m sure that was quite a surprise to the civilizations around back then.) Other kinds of Creationism exist, some of which come much closer to the Earth’s real age of 4.5 billion years and the universe’s real age of 10-20 billion years, but here we speak only of Young-Earth Creationism.

Creationism is a relatively new doctrinal stance that arose in the 1970s-1980s thanks to an American law professor named Phillip E. Johnson. It had the marvelous good fortune of gaining popular awareness at a time when American evangelicals were undergoing a massive shift into the hardline fundamentalist-fused culture warriors we know today. The newly-politicized and tribalism-addled group happily absorbed Creationism along the way. By the late 1990s, Creationism was a required belief for them.

(Related: Back when evangelicals loved the ACLU.)

Often, Young-Earth Creationists call their belief system “intelligent design.” In this way, they pretend it’s not just another name for Young-Earth Creationism. In the 1990s and 2000s, this dishonesty was absolutely key to their disingenuous attempts to sneak their beliefs into public schools. I will not be granting them this pious fraud.

Ham and his associates also erroneously believe that Christians who don’t accept Creationism are Jesusing all wrong.

He thinks this because of a very childish interpretation of the Bible called literalism. That means they erroneously think that everything in the Bible literally happened the way the Bible’s writers describe it. Their entire faith system depends on this belief being 100% true. So they get very fretful when other Christians have differing interpretations of the Bible. They think that such inconsistency “undermines” a Christian’s beliefs.

As far as I know, they have conducted no research into that assumption. In fact, they haven’t conducted much original research at all since their early years—because their field researchers kept realizing that Creationism was impossible and deconverting from the belief.

Ken Ham insists this is “the FIRST Post-Christian Generation,” y’all!

And now we arrive at Ken Ham’s first error. It occurs in his video’s title.

Ken Ham calls this video “The FIRST Post-Christian Generation – this is how we lost Gen Z.”

But this isn’t the first post-Christian generation. Ken Ham attributes this idea to Barna Group, which has also referred to Gen Z that way.

Researchers began calling America “post-Christian” back in 2013. That puts us very solidly into Millennial territory, since they were born between 1981-1996. The oldest Gen Z people (born between 1997-2012) in 2013 would have been roughly 15. Folks that young aren’t generally pushing the religion needle one way or the other.

Rather, Millennials began—and are still—turning America post-Christian, not Gen Z. That’s the generation that evangelicals panicked about in the 2010s.

Gen Z simply continues the trend of increasing secularity in America.

But okay, Ken Ham. How exactly did you lot manage to lose an entire upcoming generation of adults?

Ken Ham has lost Gen Z, everyone! (Has he looked under the sofa?)

Moving on, Ken Ham tells us in the video:

But now we have the second world view dominating because we have allowed generations of kids to be indoctrinated in an education system that has thrown God out, the Bible out, prayer out, Creation[ism] out. They teach you all came about by natural processes. There is no supernatural, there is no God.

Sorry to say this, but the majority of pastors have endorsed that system, told parents that’s fine, but don’t worry about what they’re being taught. Just come along, we’ll tell them about Jesus. And you see now we’re seeing generations who have a different foundation and a whole different worldview. And Generation Z in particular is called by George Barna, Christian researcher, “the first post-Christian generation” in this nation.

The FIRST Post-Christian Generation – this is how we lost Gen Z,” Ken Ham. Uploaded 5/20/23.

Ken Ham himself posted this video to his own channel. That fact forces me to conclude that he is actually proud of this 36-second burst of poor reasoning and dishonesty.

Christians often accuse others of exactly what they themselves do (or want to do). This time the trope is egregiously easy to see.

So is Ham’s self-interest. Gosh, the products he happens to sell could fix this awful problem! Who could have seen that coming?

Why Ken Ham is fretting about Gen Z

Ken Ham sounds very, very upset that he may no longer indoctrinate children to believe his quirky, dishonest, error-packed li’l take on the Bible. By indoctrination, of course, he means dogmatic claims shoved at people—in this case, children—who must accept them without questions or reservation. He wants to indoctrinate children, so he assumes that schools do the same. His is good, though. Theirs is ickie and evil.

But which children does he mean?

Surely not children attending his flavor of Christianity’s religious schools or being insularly-homeschooled by fellow Creationists. Those children are already being indoctrinated with his beliefs. He can’t be upset about losing them.

No, he’s upset that he can no longer indoctrinate the children attending public, taxpayer-funded schools in America. Those schools are off-limits to people like him. Those children are beyond his reach.

Unless a teacher wishes to present Creationism in the context of why it isn’t at all real science, or in the context of a religious belief alongside others, then that’s the only way children in public schools will learn about his beliefs in that setting. In other words, Creationism won’t be presented the way Ken Ham wants it presented: in science classes as an indoctrination meant to completely undermine the backbone of science, the scientific method, and the basic concepts it helped humans understand, like the Theory of Evolution.

No, if Ken Ham wants to indoctrinate those children, then he must get the explicit permission of their parents. And American law, which protects Americans’ right to freedom of religion, has placed strict rules around when and where such indoctrination may occur in a public-school context.

Alas, Ken Ham doesn’t think that his desired indoctrination will take if he can’t use public schools to push it at children. Unless children are surrounded by it 24/7, it won’t overcome what children are learning in public schools. More to the point, it won’t overcome the worldview they are absorbing.

Ken Ham’s god isn’t anywhere near strong enough to defeat a worldview that simply doesn’t lend itself to accepting the claims Ken Ham likes to make.

The ‘biblical worldview’ that’s almost extinct

You might notice that Ken Ham quoted George Barna in assessing Gen Z as ‘lost’ to evangelicals. George Barna started Barna Group many years ago (though he eventually left it to pursue a solo career). Barna Group is a for-profit survey house that sells analyses of its research and polls to worried evangelical parents and leaders. Barna Group workers’ jobs involve creating analyses that will open evangelical wallets.

And nothing worries evangelicals and opens their wallets quite like predicting imminent disaster.

Indeed, George Barna must be having quite a heyday. For years now, he has been crying in the wilderness about the extinction of the ‘biblical worldview.’

If you’re wondering what “biblical” means in this context, it’s simply a Christianese adjective that indicates that its noun is something the judging Christian likes.

Usually, you’ll only see this adjective in evangelical writing, where it modifies any number of nouns:

  • Biblical marriage. That’s opposite-sex, hetero-only, woman-subjugating marriage between one man and one woman who follow evangelicals’ weird, regressive gender-role expectations.
  • Biblical parenting. That’s the creepy, punishment-oriented, dysfunctional-authoritarian parenting style that evangelicals think is the only way to set children up for lifelong faith.
  • Biblical dating. Think “Duggar-style courtship” and you won’t be far off the mark.

Evangelicals love sneering at other flavors of Christianity as sub-par, even though there is no way whatsoever to say that any one flavor is more authentically Christian than any other. The word biblical is how they do their sneering: by implying that other takes aren’t based on the Bible like theirs is.

So a biblical worldview simply means the worldview of a hardline evangelical like Ken Ham or George Barna.

Why Ken Ham and George Barna think that their biblical worldview is going extinct

According to George Barna and his onetime business organization, that worldview is going “extinct!” In 2018, they found that only 4% of Gen Z had a biblical worldview. Then, in 2020, they found that only 2% of Millennials had one.

By 2023, Barna was alarmed to find that the percentage of Americans generally who had a biblical worldview had declined from 6% in March 2020 to 4%. Meanwhile, from 2020 to 2023, he found that the percentage of Americans calling themselves “born again” had likewise declined from 19% to 13%.

I’m not sure if Barna took into account the huge number of senior-citizen evangelicals who have refused to vaccinate or take safety precautions due to the COVID pandemic. Though we know about the evangelical leaders who FAFO, and some websites keep track of a few of the antivaxxers who have likewise died in service to their own willful ignorance, it’s hard to say just how many of those “born again,” biblical-worldview-holding evangelicals have died and brought down Barna’s numbers.

Either way, Barna certainly thinks that his worldview is going “extinct.” By extension, so does Ken Ham. In Ham’s case, he’s also very certain that public education is to blame. Of course, Creationists have never conducted any research regarding this assertion. But he’s still very certain of it, and certainty—even if it’s completely misplaced—carries a lot of weight with literalists.

(Related: “Hello, my name is Kent Hovind” — this dissertation will tell you immediately why Creationists aren’t real big on science.)

That worldview is what is most important to evangelicals

In the context of indoctrinating children, evangelicals like Ken Ham are well aware that their god is nearly helpless up against a mismatched worldview. If children cannot be taught or forced to adopt a worldview amenable to Ken Ham’s flavor of Christianity, then they’ll think for the rest of their lives that his claims are whackadoodle-squared.

We see exactly that same problem in missionary efforts. Some years ago, a then-missionary to Thailand wrote of how she learned this lesson:

I remember our first year on the field literally thinking, “No one is ever, ever going to come to faith in Christ, no matter how many years I spend here.”

I thought this because for the first time in my life, I was face-to-face with the realities that the story of Jesus was so completely other to the people I was living among. Buddhism and the East had painted such a vastly different framework than the one I was used to that I was at a loss as to how to even begin to communicate the gospel effectively.

And so, the Amy-Carmichael-Wanna-Be [a famous Irish missionary] that I was, I dug in and started learning the language. I began the long, slow process of building relationships with the nationals, and I ended up spending lots of time talking about the weather and the children in kitchens. And while over time, I became comfortable with helping cook the meal, I saw very little movement of my local friends towards faith.

“Rice Christians and Fake Conversions,” Laura Parker, 1/28/13

Unfortunately for Ken Ham and his like-minded pals, they have a much worse problem than that missionary. Their worldview is very much on the outer fringes of Christianity. So they’re not just fighting reality itself, but every more-sensible flavor of their own religion. Even if a child has a generally-Christian worldview, that’s not enough to make Creationist claims sound plausible.

The demographic time bomb exploded years ago for Creationists

It’s worth mentioning, by the way, that one of the main witnesses for the plaintiffs in the landmark Creationism-based Kitzmiller v Dover Area School District lawsuit in 2005 was a Christian, Dr. Kenneth Miller. Miller, a biology professor, had, in fact, written many peer-reviewed biology articles and even a popular biology textbook.

For years prior to this lawsuit’s filing, Creationists had been champing at the bit for exactly such an opportunity. They’d been sneaking their indoctrination materials into public schools for years in hopes of provoking it. Finally, parents and science teachers in one small, out of the way town got sick of their antics and filed suit against their district’s school board—which was led by and packed with Creationists and their sycophants.

The judge in that case, John E. Jones III, was likewise a Christian—and a Dubya appointee. So Creationists were doubly sure that they’d successfully win the right to push their religious materials into public science classrooms.

They brought their A+ game to this fight, insofar as they could, I suppose.

And they got completely BTFO. They lost. They not only lost, but they lost in the most humiliating ways possible. Not only did Creationism get exposed as purely religious in nature, not only was the Dover school board leader caught red-handed lying to a federal judge, not only were their own witnesses—the ones who didn’t just withdraw from the trial, I mean—exposed as clown-shoes incompetents, but Dover-area voters also immediately replaced the Dover school board with people who understood and accepted real science.

(If you like definitive legal smackdowns or even just want to learn every single way that Creationism is not science but instead absolutely positively simply Christian indoctrination aimed at grooming children to hold a Creationism-friendly worldview, Jones’ opinion paper cannot be missed. It’s one of my favorite reads, a GOAT winner.)

And Gen Z had a front-row seat to watch it happen

Evangelicals’ decline started right around this same time. From 2006, their roller coaster only went downhill.

I really feel like that’s when the pendulum began to swing back to sanity regarding Christians trying to infiltrate public schoolrooms. People began taking those attempts a lot more seriously after that. Sure, Creationists still tried to get into public schools, and they still do try. But they’re tightly constrained compared to how things were before 2005.

I’m bringing up this trial almost 20 years later for a reason. The aftereffects of it cannot be overestimated.

Remember, Gen Z was getting born during the Dover period as well (they were born between 1997-2012). Parents with Gen Z kids were direct witnesses of this evangelical overreach. And the youngest kids in Dover classrooms in 2005 were Gen Z.

The real surprise is that even 4% of Gen Z kids have a biblical worldview, not that so few do. I doubt that percentage will rise.

Ken Ham has no clue in the world how to deal with that demographic time bomb, either

Nowadays, Ken Ham preaches to his choir in his little safe space. I don’t think he makes many new converts to his flavor of Christianity. Instead, he’s stuck in that safe space with a dwindling number of believers. I’m sure it’s very cozy, at least. But it’s going to get less comfortable as the years pass.

The problem Ken Ham is having is that his worldview doesn’t come naturally to anyone. It has to be coached extensively into people who don’t know any better. So generally, that coaching must begin very early. It must also be reinforced constantly and from all sides. Children must be absolutely shrink-wrapped to maintain it.

Even so, the moment such a child ventures out into the real world, their false worldview always risks toppling in the face of reality. There simply does not exist a way for the Ken Hams of the world to shrink-wrap a child so well that reality cannot ever penetrate those layers of indoctrination.

Not anymore, anyway. At one time, I’m sure it was a lot easier to build those bubbles.

As Ken Ham himself has admitted, evangelicals have already lost Gen Z. But let’s be clear here: they lost Gen Z because Gen X and older Millennials refused to allow their children to be indoctrinated with a Creationism-friendly worldview. He demonizes schools for this refusal, but really he’s missed a few steps here!

That said, I’m sure he wishes with all his heart that he could indoctrinate those children without their parents knowing, but it ain’t gonna happen.

Now younger Millennials are poised to start having their own children. Those children will be part of Gen Alpha (born between 2013-2025) and whatever we call the next age cohort. It seems very likely that they will also generally refuse to allow their children to learn fake science to make Ken Ham happy.

His roller coaster may be reaching the end of the ride. But the future for children has never been brighter as a result.


Captain Cassidy

Captain Cassidy is a Gen-X ex-Christian and writer. She writes about how people engage with science, religion, art, and each other. She lives in Idaho with her husband, Mr. Captain, and their squawky orange tabby cat, Princess Bother Pretty Toes. And at any given time, she is running out of bookcase space.

28 Comments

Chris Peterson · 10/06/2023 at 10:24 AM

I went to public school back in the 60s and 70s. We didn’t have prayer in school. We didn’t have any religious indoctrination. God never came up in science classes.

I don’t doubt that such abuses weren’t common enough in the third world quadrant of America… they still are! But they have not been the norm in most of the country for a very, very long time.

    KeLeMi · 10/06/2023 at 2:56 PM

    I had a similar education.

    Astrin Ymris · 10/06/2023 at 7:54 PM

    For me it was the 70s and 80s… and I experienced the same. I was raised in a Bible Belt state, and we were taught real science. We also had real Sex Ed, not abstinence-only. Yes, there was more “faith-based” stuff in our education than there should have been, but for the most part science class was science class. I think students were excused from the chapters on evolution if their parents sent a note requesting it, but DNA, Mendelian Inheritance, plate tectonics and astronomy was taught on a purely secular basis, with tacit recognition of evolution and Deep Time.

    I really think the drift toward the Religious Right’s over reach was increasing in the late 80s and 90s. During the 70s, people still remembered the Sputnik scare, and wanted their kids taught real math and science so we could beat the Russians in space technology.

      Chris Peterson · 10/07/2023 at 9:42 AM

      It’s seeds were as early as Eisenhower, but the start of the deep decline of America really lies with Reagan. He may turn out to be the most damaging President the country has ever had. The President who will be seen as the beginning of the end.

    Straw · 10/07/2023 at 3:23 AM

    I went to public school in Norway in the 70s. The constitution still said it was a Christian country. My teacher the first years, forced us to pray before we ate our lunch. Things like that don’t happen in public schools anymore and hasn’t for at least 35 years.

    Houndentenor · 10/07/2023 at 10:00 AM

    I went to public elementary school in the 70s and up through at least fourth grade we often prayed before we went to lunch. It didn’t magically go away with a SCOTUS decision. It stayed around until a parent complained, and those parents tended to Catholic who didn’t like their kids being indoctrinated into Baptist or Methodist (which together were well more than a majority) practice.

      Chris Peterson · 10/07/2023 at 10:08 AM

      It was also probably not “indoctrination” in any meaningful way. Prayer recitation, like saying the Pledge of Allegiance, is just ritual, largely meaningless to kids. Indoctrination would be seen in the injection of religion into the curriculum. Not in rote recitation.

ericc · 10/06/2023 at 1:37 PM

Often, Young-Earth Creationists call their belief system “intelligent design.”

Well, kinda. You can get old earth IDers. Michael Behe would be an example.

Intuitively, I’d like to think Ham is right; that secular education has led to more skeptics. But in the US, historically, that does not seem to really have been the case. At least not at the elementary and secondary level. There was a very loooong lag between taking prayer out of school and teaching evolution and the more recent drop in Christian numbers. OTOH, there was a very short lag between the internet becoming a tool in every kid’s hands, and the recent drop in Christian numbers. Just sayin’. And even more recently, when you *ask* Gen Z why they’re leaving, you get answers like ‘gay rights’, not answers like ‘because science has convinced me the earth is 4.5 billion years old.’ I mean, Kitzmiller is great. Loved it. I read all the court docs NCSE published. I have “Monkey Girl” and “Devil in Dover” sitting on my shelf, in this room, as I type. But if you want to look for reasons why Gen Z is less religious, I’d go with YouTube and TikTok over Kitzmiller.

Now, when you talk about higher education, the correlation seems to be correct. BS => MS => Ph.D seems to correlate with less religiosity. But interestingly, topic of study doesn’t seem to matter much. The trend happens for humanities Ph.D’s as much as, say, Biologists. There are numerous explanations for why this might be so, but personally I favor the “when your day job becomes to critically examine ideas, those skills tend to bleed over into your past times too – whether you want them to or not.”

    Chris Peterson · 10/06/2023 at 1:46 PM

    I’d say the reason Gen Z is less religious is that religion has simply ceased to have much value in our society. That’s been shifting for a long time, and we see it in the reduced religiosity of each later generation. It began long before the Internet and long before gay rights issues. It’s just that religion (of the Christian sort) isn’t very compatible with the post WW2 world. It serves little purpose, so it is simply dying by attrition.

      Houndentenor · 10/07/2023 at 10:06 AM

      I wonder if the real answer is that so much of Christianity is so heavily politicized. This is true of both conservative and liberal Christians. According to my late mother, a lot of people who left her church did so because they got tired of hearing politics all the time. They told her but no one else (because she wasn’t one of the ones going on and on about politics in every class or discussion). It wasn’t even that they disagreed with the politics for the most part, but that they didn’t come to church for that. That’s anecdotal so I’m sure that’s not the only reason, but if your politics and your religion have to align now, then that is going to narrow the people who go to your church and the people who leave may decide that they can get along just as well without going to church every Sunday.

        Chris Peterson · 10/07/2023 at 10:11 AM

        Gen Z is extremely non-political, though. They are not motivated by party, they are not motivated by “conservative vs. liberal”. They don’t identify as left or right.

        Gen Z never left the church, because they never joined it to begin with.

Houndentenor · 10/06/2023 at 1:48 PM

I was raised to believe in creationism. I got this in bits and pieces because back then there wasn’t such an industry around homeschooling creating videos and books on this topic. I was surprised when I went to the library and found nothing remotely scientific that said the earth was only 6,000 years old. (Now they usually say 10,000 because we have records of civilizations more than 6,000 years old, but there are “reference Bibles” still in print that date creation at 4004 BC.) Even the order of creation makes no sense. The earth existed before the sun? What?

The problem for this kind of religion is the internet. People can be fact-checking the BS a preacher is pushing on them while he’s talking about it. In my day you’d have to find a book to debunk those things and while they existed you’d have to remember what they said and then go to a library. That’s a lot more effort than most people were going to expend. Now it’s easy to debunk this nonsense and people are doing it. Once you realize someone has lied to you about one thing, you start questioning everything else and their BS unravels rather quickly.

Young Earth Creationism is dying a slow death. Slow only because of a well-organized and funded home school curriculum. And in parts of the US science teachers just skip the evolution chapter because they don’t want the shitstorm coming at them for teaching well-established science. Even with that fewer people than ever are that literal in their interpretation of the Bible. And that kind of literalism is what Hovind and others mean by a “Biblical worldview.” Accepting things that contradict science and world history because one book says it happened a different way. Yeah, that’s not holding up very well. How about teaching that some of it is metaphor like the rest of Christianity has been doing for a very long time? No, they can’t admit they were ever wrong. Fundamentalists can’t ever be wrong. LOL

    Chris Peterson · 10/06/2023 at 1:57 PM

    You were raised with these beliefs. But many, probably most Gen Z people were not. That’s the difference. Not information, not education, not ethics. Just a lack of indoctrination. People rarely adopt religion absent childhood indoctrination. My experience with younger people is that they tend to be woefully ignorant of science (and many other things). They tend to be woefully uninterested in ethics. They aren’t turning away from religion because of these things. Religion simply isn’t a thing that exists in their world.

      Traveller · 10/06/2023 at 4:53 PM

      That’s why I suspect these programs that filter what sites can be visited and what not are in high demand in such circles. And I’m imagining exactly what sites are filtered.

    Rick O'Sheikh · 10/06/2023 at 5:47 PM

    “The Earth existed before the sun…?…” How about the notion of “day” without the sun? The Bible says God created some other stuff the first three days and he created the sun on the fourth day. So what is a “day” without the sun? That should be an insurmountable problem even for believers, if only they were interested in thinking.

      Chris Peterson · 10/06/2023 at 7:07 PM

      Simple. God created the Earth on one day of its planet!

        Rick O'Sheikh · 10/07/2023 at 2:58 AM

        Now I understand !! Thanks !…
        I saw the light, I saw the light
        Praise the Lord, I saw the light

KeLeMi · 10/06/2023 at 2:55 PM

They never had me to begin with.

WCB · 10/06/2023 at 3:34 PM

Offish topic. From Religious News Service.

…..
BOULDER, Colo. — Gloo, the leading technology platform dedicated to connecting the faith ecosystem and releasing its collective might, announced that it is launching a free online master class in evangelism created in partnership with the Luis Palau Association and the He Gets Us movement. Entitled “Engaging Culture: An Evangelism Master Class,” the eight-part video series will instruct people step by step on how they can most effectively spread the good news of Jesus Christ by relating to what is currently happening in the culture.”

He Gets Us at it again.

BobOz · 10/07/2023 at 8:32 PM

I noticed his choice of words: Ham wants to ‘teach’ the children but accuses the public school system of ‘indoctrinating’.
I remember reading in ‘The God Delusion’ Richard Dawkins suggested that religion should have a minimum age requirement. Just like voting, driving, smoking, drinking etc. Then, religion would be gone in less than 2 generations!

Paul S. Jenkins · 10/08/2023 at 5:28 PM

Creationism — just another conspiracy theory

Mojohand · 10/09/2023 at 2:20 PM

I really believe that Creationism is just a red herring for the fundagelical crowd. The true importance for them is not how the physical world necessarily came to be but rather how the spiritual condition came about. It’s the chapters in Genesis immediately after the Creation myth that matter most.

If the Fall of man is fiction, then the world is not in need of a sacrificial redeemer and savior and hence, they have nothing to sell. This makes it very interesting to see how non-creationists explain away the Original Sin backstory.

    ericc · 10/10/2023 at 7:42 AM

    AFAIK most YECers are very sincere. There’s two different arguments I’ve heard them use (and to be clear they can use both, these are not mutually exclusive): (1) if the Earth is old and humans evolved, then Genesis is not literally true. If this is the case, then other parts of the bible may not be literally true either, and the whole edifice is untrustworthy. We cannot accept that. Therefore, Genesis must be literally true. (2) if the Earth is old and humans evolved, then there was no Adam and Eve. Therefore there was no original sin. If that’s the case then neither God’s actions nor Jesus’ redemption make any sense. We cannot accept that. Therefore, Genesis must be literally true.

    Worth noting that even the RCC, which is generally okay with allegorical readings of the bible, adheres in part to that second reason. In Pope Pius VII’s 1950 Humani Generis statement where the RCC officially and explicitly accepted an old earth and evolution, the Pope adds in that belief in a literal Adam and Eve couple who are the sole progenitors of humans remains a required RCC belief. Since genetics has since demonstrated that the smallest human breeding population bottleneck was around 1,000 individuals, they’re scientifically wrong about that. I expect they will update Humani Generis to catch up to science sometime in the 2400s.

Adam Lee · 10/09/2023 at 3:54 PM

I’m gobsmacked that Ken Ham says – out loud, in words – that there’s no hope of persuading people that creationism is true unless they’re raised to believe it from childhood.

I thought they said science was on their side! I thought they had all kinds of fancy arguments and evidence that made it so easy for them to disprove the claims of atheistic, anti-God scientists. They said for so long that there were good, sound reasons to believe. 

Now they’re going back on all that and saying that getting the kids while they’re too young to ask questions is their only hope?! That doesn’t sound like the words of someone who’s confident in his position.

OldManShadow · 10/10/2023 at 9:59 AM

[He thinks this because of a very childish interpretation of the Bible called literalism. That means they erroneously think that everything in the Bible literally happened the way the Bible’s writers describe it.]

Literalism is the method of reading Scripture so that there was a real life talking snake with legs in the Garden of Eden but parts of Daniel, Ezekiel, and Isaiah don’t really mean what they say and are part of a bible code that will tell us the future.

ATCoffey · 10/12/2023 at 6:32 PM

Ah, lil’ Kenny Hamsalad! Wouldn’t know reality if it bite him on his dried up, scrawny ass.

Gord O'Mitey · 10/12/2023 at 7:36 PM

If Ham is a biblical literalist, why isn’t he advocating stoning homosexual men, adulterers, and recalcitrant children who swear at their parents? Shouldn’t he be consistent? I guess he knows that barbarity in the bible isn’t going to be accepted, nowadays.

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